I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Is that a street car? Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. ugh! 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. it isnt a direct swap. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. It barely sticks now when floored. Connect common ground at intake manifold. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Remove with transmission attached. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. You are using an out of date browser. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. Would you recomend doing this swap? The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. When you find one, buy it. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. via Oppositelock. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? Is a swap possible? I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. Learn how your comment data is processed. Install without transmission. JavaScript is disabled. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? engine alone. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. Swapped! Well, I am right with you. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. Yup, that's John's car. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. I've gotten the complete HFM/CC/ISC harnesses out, ready to harvest more. You must log in or register to reply here. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? AMG would be nice and or a V8. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. While there Auto-Gruppen persuaded the turbocharged 3.2 L Mercedes M104 inline-six into making 953 hp and 1081 Nm (797 lb-ft) of torque to the wheels on 2.14 bar (31 psi) of boost from a EFR9180 turbocharger. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. i have the m102 2.0 in the car as is and i have heard that the problem with having the smaller motor rather than the 2.3 or 2.6 is that the steering box will cause a problem when fitting the engine? Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. His forum name is SG Motorsports. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. Navigation Menu . Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. via Engine Swap Depot For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. All bolt-in, no welding required. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). Learn how your comment data is processed. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. Makes a fantastic daily driver. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Any slk egne fit in there? The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. Bolt starter to transmission later. Use it however you wish or block it off. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. It was built for the track and drifting. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. Learn how your comment data is processed. Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. 20cm is slightly too long). Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? I did all the swaps and all the work myself. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. Originally Posted by Kestas. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. I was just giving you a hard time. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? Hi Adriano. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. these are quite uncommon. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. __________________. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. JavaScript is disabled. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. He is an electrical wizard. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? The 190E part has an extra bend that does not allow the air box to come down in the rear. Engine Swap Depot. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? Was real nice. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. Learn how your comment data is processed. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. all that accumulated grease and oil. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. 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